Episode 164
Demystifying Meditation: What You Need to Know
Does meditation actually help in real life, off the cushion? That is the only place it counts. In the car, in the queue, and the second before you snap at somebody.
You cannot switch off a taste you dislike, so expecting to switch off a thought is the wrong ask. You choose which train to drive rather than stopping the trains. Little and often beats forty minutes on a Saturday. You do not need a lotus position, though a straight back helps. Three deep breaths connect the mind and the body and that is the way in.
One thing to try: Take three deep breaths before the next conversation you are dreading.
In this episode
- (0:03) Myth busting, and why meditation matters off the cushion
- (2:50) Giving up on it, then snapping at somebody later
- (5:18) The real scenarios meditation is actually for
- (7:12) Thoughts that come and go, and the ones we go with
- (9:52) You cannot switch off a taste you do not like
- (12:02) Choosing to be the driver, and where the train goes
- (16:29) Little and often beats forty minutes once a week
- (21:27) No lotus position needed, but keep the back straight
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Transcript
So on this podcast, I want to do some myth busting and I want to get back to the basics
Steven Webb:of meditation and why it matters in real life. Not just on the cushion. And I'm not talking about the
Steven Webb:kind of meditation that is sat down with some candles in the bath for some peace and quiet. If you're
Steven Webb:meditating for just a little bit of chilled out peace, that's not why I'm talking about this kind of meditation.
Steven Webb:And before I go any further, I will say I've never enjoyed meditating. My mind's never enjoyed it. The human
Steven Webb:side of me has never enjoyed it. If I'm sitting there thinking, I'm normally thinking about my stomach or Facebook
Steven Webb:or something I said a few days ago or something I need to do or an itch or for something
Steven Webb:there's always something I'm thinking about
Steven Webb:apart from the moments where I'm not thinking. And that's just a pause between the thinking before my subconscious mind
Steven Webb:gives me something else to think about. But what is the benefits of meditation? Why should you meditate? And
Steven Webb:how long do you meditate for? And the real signs whether meditation is working or not. That's what we will
Steven Webb:cover on today's Back to the Basics. Why Meditate? So hello, I'm Steven Weber and welcome to Stillness in the
Steven Webb:Storm. The podcast that helps you find some firm ground in difficult times. No fluff. no quick
Steven Webb:fixes, just honest, down-to-earth wisdom from someone who lives it every single day. So, like the Buddha said,
Steven Webb:to be alive is to suffer. So we're all suffering.
Steven Webb:Anyway, right, before I begin today's episode, let's have a huge thank you to the people who keep this podcast
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Steven Webb:hours. So
Steven Webb:I'm talking to anybody that finds meditation hard, that somebody that dips in and out of it.
Steven Webb:You do it for a few days and you feel a little bit better because you know you're doing something
Steven Webb:about your suffering or you think it's something you ought to be doing. And then you end up giving up
Steven Webb:on it. And then you end up snapping at somebody or you end up cutting someone up, or someone cuts
Steven Webb:you up on the road and you shout. Or you're getting anxious and stressed and you're like,
Steven Webb:I know better, I can do better. Why am I doing this? And you end up blaming in the shame
Steven Webb:loop and you get anxious and overwhelmed and stressed. That's who I'm talking to. And I may as well be
Steven Webb:talking to myself because that's me. If I don't meditate for about four or five days, I end up snapping
Steven Webb:at someone. I end up with less compassion, less wisdom, less understanding
Steven Webb:and just more overwhelmed I end up dropping stuff. And that's the reality. So. So first of all,
Steven Webb:let's answer the question, why meditate? Now then, if you're meditating, to have a little bit of peace and quiet
Steven Webb:in that moment, I suggest run a bath on some incense sticks, get a good book or
Steven Webb:watch a lovely romance, I don't know, read a Mills and Boone book. Because if you're meditating for a bit
Steven Webb:of inner peace in that moment, it doesn't have long-term benefits Do it by all means, but don't expect it
Steven Webb:to have any kind of real profound change on your life. Genuine meditation, if you want it to reduce your
Steven Webb:suffering in life. It's about like a weightlifter going to the gym, lifting weights that are going to build
Steven Webb:up their muscles. If you're just doing it for inner peace, that's like going to the gym and chatting to
Steven Webb:the person behind the till for an hour about what you're going to do and then you leave without doing
Steven Webb:the workout. That's what meditation with an incense stick. And you're just sitting there enjoying it.
Steven Webb:That's not what I'm talking about We're not talking about contacting aliens. We're not talking about having some 3 or
Steven Webb:5d vision of the world. We're not talking about healing your body in a magic way
Steven Webb:or anything like that. You have many benefits of healing and many benefits of inner peace and all that. But
Steven Webb:we're talking about good old-fashioned weight lifting for the mind. So you end up more compassionate,
Steven Webb:more caring, you end up wiser and you end up creating less pain for yourself and others.
Steven Webb:Does that sound good? So before I actually talk about the practice and way that, the way meditation can actually
Steven Webb:help, these are the scenarios that meditation, the result of meditation can help with. You know
Steven Webb:when you're at that family barbecue or the Christmas dinner and you've got someone at the table that's winding you
Steven Webb:up, a relative or a family member, and you just. Your blood's boiling and you're getting anxious and you just
Steven Webb:want to just scream at them or you want to walk out, or you just can't stand the sight of
Steven Webb:them or anything like that is to be able to be in that presence But not wound up and not
Steven Webb:stressed and having a wiser, different view on it. Or when that email comes and winds you up
Steven Webb:and before you practice, you just react and you fire one off. And I fired off a Whatsapp message this
Steven Webb:morning in annoyance when I read something on Facebook and went straight into the Lib Dem group and fired
Steven Webb:one off and it's like I deleted it. These things happen. We're human. Meditation doesn't get rid of the human,
Steven Webb:doesn't get rid of the passion and the emotion when things go wrong or when things go right. Meditation
Steven Webb:helps when we have desires that are a little too overwhelming, and the same as when we're feeling a little
Steven Webb:too happy. You know, sometimes when things are going just amazing and we just like want to grab all of
Steven Webb:it and we want to. Like, we don't understand it and we get really stressed about the situation, but really
Steven Webb:we're really happy. You know, all these things that make us wonderfully human. And
Steven Webb:it can help us in the doctor's room when we're waiting, you've got two minutes we've got no cushion you've
Steven Webb:got no app and it's noisy, or it might be really quiet and you don't know what the results are
Steven Webb:going to be. Meditation can help with the thoughts that come and go in that moment, or thoughts that come
Steven Webb:and we end up going with the thoughts in that moment.
Steven Webb:And you're stressed with a colleague at work, or you're just stressed generally with the kids, Anything like that. There's
Steven Webb:that tiny little gap between the thought that arises and your reaction. That's the whole
Steven Webb:game. That's what meditation trains. You have feelings and emotions and you have
Steven Webb:thoughts that arise. Meditation increases the gap between what's happening
Steven Webb:in any given moment and what you do with it. And, you know, you've always.
Steven Webb:We've always regretted something five hours later and gone. I wish I hadn't said that. I wish I hadn't done
Steven Webb:that. I wish I hadn't picked up the phone and shouted, whatever we do when we make a mistake. And
Steven Webb:then five hours later, why did I do that? I wasn't thinking straight at the time. It felt like it
Steven Webb:wasn't me. Well, that's because there wasn't that gap of wisdom in the middle. Then if we just had that
Steven Webb:little bit of space, if we were that wise person at the end of the bar in those movies, when
Steven Webb:the whole room in the bar is fighting and you've got that guy or the female at the end of
Steven Webb:the bar, just really calm and they just drink their drink and they walk out with the end because they
Steven Webb:haven't got involved because they're really chilled or drunk maybe, who knows? But that's the game. That's what it's about,
Steven Webb:is creating that gap. So I want to do some myth busting before I actually get on to the practice.
Steven Webb:So is meditation about clearing all your thoughts? No. That's probably the number
Steven Webb:one and biggest myth. If you understand this straight away, you're probably ahead of many people already. You have a
Steven Webb:thought. The human mind has evolved to think. That's its job. It's designed to think.
Steven Webb:That's all it can do. It's like asking your mind not to think is like looking at a colored piece
Steven Webb:of art and asking your mind not to see the colour
Steven Webb:or being in a noisy room and saying to your mind, don't hear it. It's impossible. That's why we have
Steven Webb:to have noise cancelling headphones because if we could do it ourselves, that'd be easy. But expecting the mind not
Steven Webb:to shut out the noise or shut out a colour or not to see something or not
Steven Webb:oh I don't. So I don't like the taste of that food, but I'm going to eat it anyway, and
Steven Webb:I'm going to switch off the taste. It's impossible. You cannot do it. So expecting the mind not to think
Steven Webb:is like asking the heart not to beat or the liver not to filter your blood. It's not going to
Steven Webb:end well. So your mind has evolved to think. Awesome. Brilliant. It's what makes you human. That's what
Steven Webb:is brilliant about the mind. Here's the thing. When you have a thought arising, you're sat there and
Steven Webb:you're at a doctor's, and you might think about the test results, say, or you might think about the appointment
Steven Webb:because you're going in to see them, about a pain in the shoulder or something, or a lump or something
Steven Webb:like that, and your mind then goes to it and it starts to go on a story. Suddenly that pain
Steven Webb:in the shoulder is arthritis. And you're not going to be able to move in six months. And then six
Steven Webb:months later, you're going to be stuck in a bed or in a wheelchair. And then you're going to be
Steven Webb:in so much pain, you're going to be like your uncle that had arthritis and you're going to end up
Steven Webb:dying early. And before you know it, within about four seconds, you've gone from a painful shoulder to you're almost
Steven Webb:dead or in a wheelchair or the same with a lump and things like that. Then the problem is when
Steven Webb:you go into these stories, you don't know if they're true or not. And very often you get into the
Steven Webb:doctors and the doctor will say, yeah, you've pulled a muscle, should heal in a few days, or we'll get
Steven Webb:that scanned and it might be a benign lump. Who knows? The point is, you don't know it's necessarily bad
Steven Webb:and you don't know it's necessarily good. So what meditation does is you recognise the thought
Steven Webb:and then there's a little gap you go, okay, thanks for the thought. I don't know if it's true. So
Steven Webb:I'm not going to go with it. The same as my analogy of trains coming into a station. Thoughts like
Steven Webb:trains coming into a station, choose which ones to get on. You can even choose when you get really good
Steven Webb:in it. You can choose to be the driver and where that train goes
Steven Webb:you know I want this story. I like this thought. I'm going to go with this one. And we do
Steven Webb:that in like vision meditation and like imagery meditation. So I've got a
Steven Webb:meditation about being a peregrine falcon, my favourite bird when I was a child. So imagine sat there on a
Steven Webb:bench and you see a peregrine falcon flying above you. Well, imagine being that peregrine falcon and what the
Steven Webb:peregrine falcon can see, it's a way of taking another perspective, seeing the world from a different angle. That's
Steven Webb:going with the story. That's fine, that's thoughts. But you're choosing to. Just the same as when
Steven Webb:you're aware of your breath, that's a thought. You're giving your mind something to do. So you have
Steven Webb:thoughts, but you are not your thoughts. And because you're not your thoughts, you can choose what to do with
Steven Webb:your thoughts. So not about clearing the mind. If you want to clear the mind, go sleep or
Steven Webb:have drugs and toxins and all the other things. That's about clearing the mind, that's about avoidance.
Steven Webb:I'm not suggesting any of those things. I think we should meditate and take more control of how.
Steven Webb:What we do with the thoughts when they arise. So is meditation religious? No.
Steven Webb:Essentially, there's meditation or contemplation in nearly all the religions of some kind. There's
Steven Webb:prayer, there's, well, contemplation that They're all different forms of focus or
Steven Webb:concentration. Really all we're doing is noticing, simply a form of awareness, noticing your breath, noticing your
Steven Webb:thoughts. There's nothing you have to believe, you know, you don't even have to believe your thoughts. Now
Steven Webb:then there's religious practice like Buddhism where I have several techniques and try to guide you into it. But
Steven Webb:this is a form of sazen just sitting meditated and being aware. But you don't have to relate it to
Steven Webb:Buddhism because it isn't really it's Just sit and be aware. Have you sat in a doctor's surgery or you're
Steven Webb:sat in your car just before you go into an appointment or going to that busy cafe to meet a
Steven Webb:friend you haven't seen for a while. Just sit and become aware of how warm the car is. Become
Steven Webb:aware of how dirty the bonnet is, that you got to clean it soon and just smile at that thought.
Steven Webb:Become aware of your breath or the clouds going over. It really doesn't matter what you become aware of. Is
Steven Webb:that religion or is that just being in the present moment,
Steven Webb:just being here so You can draw on Buddhism and stoicism, it's all sorts, but it isn't
Steven Webb:a practice of religion. That's the thing. Then if you're praying you're kind of asking for something.
Steven Webb:Meditation is not about asking for anything. It's about just being aware of what is. So
Steven Webb:how long do I have to sit for it to work?
Steven Webb:Five minutes? Honestly, even two. The doctor's waiting room maybe two minutes or maybe 10
Steven Webb:minutes then how long you have to wait there. Just sitting there, being aware of whatever's doing helps. It gives
Steven Webb:an instant karma of without going into all the deep thoughts and stories, you're instantly having more peace.
Steven Webb:You're instantly not in planning autopilot mode. The thing is, but just
Steven Webb:like the gym, I mentioned earlier about weightlifting, if you go to the gym once a year and you work
Steven Webb:like hell five hours, or maybe you do 12 hours of weightlifting, how long is that going to
Steven Webb:last? That's not going to build your muscles up, it's just going to injure you. If you go to the
Steven Webb:gym, 30 seconds and just lift weights for 30 seconds three times a day for 12 months, that's going to
Steven Webb:do way more than 12 hours. So little and often is better than
Steven Webb:loads and not very often. If you sit down on a Saturday morning and meditate for 40 minutes great. It'll
Steven Webb:really help you on that Saturday, but it ain't going to do much for your Monday But if you've done
Steven Webb:five minutes every morning a couple of minutes at lunchtime a couple of minutes at tea time, and every time
Steven Webb:you think about it, whether you're at red traffic lights or going through a door or and just become aware,
Steven Webb:ah, what's going on right now? How am I feeling? What's the temperature of this room, what's my foot doing,
Steven Webb:what's going on around me? Just do that as often as you can. That will have an effect
Steven Webb:because it's not about when you're meditating, it's when you're not meditating and you're not aware and someone says
Steven Webb:something that triggers you. If you've practiced the muscle enough, you'll instantly jump into awareness
Steven Webb:and go, ah, they said something. That's them projecting. They don't really mean what they say, or they're ignorant,
Steven Webb:or they just don't know, or they haven't mind read me. It's amazing how much we think people can mind
Steven Webb:read us and how much we can mind read them. The amount of times that someone says to me, well,
Steven Webb:you knew I was going to do that. I'm like, how did I know you were going to do that?
Steven Webb:You knew you were going to do it. I didn't know you're going to do it. So the amount of
Steven Webb:times that we think we're mind readers or we think others should be mind readers or because we know things
Steven Webb:and slightly off topic now, but in all those situations, the more you meditate, the more you take your little
Steven Webb:bit of time out, the less you'll react and the more you'll have that wisdom and compassion about you. You
Steven Webb:have that in abundance. You have all the wisdom and compassion that have evolved
Steven Webb:for hundreds of thousands of years. Every book you've read, every experience you've had, you've learned
Steven Webb:your subconscious mind has learned. You have the answers to nearly everything within you. But you need to have enough
Steven Webb:time to look it up, think about it and be in control of the situation. I'll give you an example.
Steven Webb:When you're entering a place when your mind is full of thinking, your body is anxious, and
Steven Webb:it's racing,
Steven Webb:consider how much you're in control of that situation. When someone comes up and says hi.
Steven Webb:Now enter that room where your mind is a little clearer, you're not really thinking about anything. You're very aware
Steven Webb:of the people in the room, you're aware of the person walking over to you. You're aware of how you're
Steven Webb:feeling, whether you're feeling a little anxious, that's fine. It's not about not feeling anxious. It's about knowing you're feeling
Steven Webb:anxious and knowing why. That awareness. And when that person walks over to you and says hi, you're like,
Steven Webb:hi. It there's a totally different. Which one are you more in control of? The second one or the first
Steven Webb:one? The second one, of course. And we all do it. We're all capable of that
Steven Webb:deep, compassionate wisdom. How many times in your life have you done that and gone, do you know what? That
Steven Webb:was amazing of me? And how many times have you not done that and went, oh, my God, that wasn't
Steven Webb:me. So you don't have to. It's not about. If you do have a practice of 20 minutes
Steven Webb:every morning, that's going to have a profound effect on you. Within months, you will literally be able to handle
Steven Webb:or nearly every single situation. And if you develop a practice like that, then please become my teacher,
Steven Webb:because I'm not managing that. You know, sometimes the odd time, I can do it. I can have some background
Steven Webb:music and I can do it to help silence my mind to a very repetitive music that has
Steven Webb:the same eight chords. I can sometimes do it, or I can sometimes do it with stifu and just
Steven Webb:repeat that constantly. And my teacher said to me Steven just say stfu stfu
Steven Webb:stfu stfu I said to him, what is that? What is the feeling He says,
Steven Webb:shut the fuck up. And I'm like, why? What? He said, no, that's what it is stfu Shut the fuck
Steven Webb:up. Just sit down and shut up. I'm like, okay, yeah, but my mind thinks he said, yeah, then shut
Steven Webb:up. Yeah, but my mind goes into the story, then go, yeah, then shut up.
Steven Webb:Always bring it back. And that's the point, is always bringing it back. So do you need to sit in
Steven Webb:a lotus position? No, sometimes it helps to keep the back up straight, and it keeps you awake. It stops
Steven Webb:you falling asleep. But if you can only sit in a chair, like me, I'm paralysed. Sit in a chair.
Steven Webb:If you have to lie in a bed, lie in a bed. You know, if you're standing at the kettle
Steven Webb:or doing the dishes, just do them. You can meditate while doing dishes. Just do the dishes. Just do the
Steven Webb:one thing. The position is not really that relevant. If you're sat in a really strict position, you have an
Steven Webb:itch. Itch it. But do it mindfully. Do it. I have an itch I'm now going to scratch that itch.
Steven Webb:How does the itch feel? It's now gone. Okay. What was I focusing on? Just do
Steven Webb:it mindfully. That's the practice. That's the game. So so
Steven Webb:what if I'm bad at meditation because my mind wanders? Your mind will wander if
Steven Webb:your mind doesn't wander. Your mind's not doing what the mind does. The
Steven Webb:only thing is thoughts will come up. You don't have to go with them. The wandering mind is you going
Steven Webb:with the thoughts. Now then very often, sometimes when you're tired, or sometimes you'll catch the thoughts after a
Steven Webb:good few minutes into a story. Oh, I'm in story. Back to breath. Sometimes you'll catch it within seconds
Steven Webb:it Doesn't matter as long as you eventually catch it. Reward yourself in the back and go, well done. That
Steven Webb:was like you lifting a weight. Well done. You lifted it. Does it matter if take lifting the weight takes
Steven Webb:10 seconds or half a second? No, it matters. You lifted the weight, so it matters that you did bring
Steven Webb:the mind back. That's where all the reward is. Is it just the way to relax? No.
Steven Webb:So the body knows how to relax, and the same as the body knows how to breathe. And I know
Steven Webb:a lot of meditation teachers and there's a lot of information and a lot of pros on having
Steven Webb:certain types of breath, counting breath, different things. It's a way of keeping your mind
Steven Webb:busy, doing something in some way. It's a way of getting you into it. Taking three deep breaths connects the
Steven Webb:mind and body helps to relax. Personally, I think the body knows how to breathe better than I do. It's
Steven Webb:been doing it way longer than I have. And just the same, relaxing. If I try to relax, I can't
Steven Webb:relax. But if I allow the body to relax, it's really good at it.
Steven Webb:If I allow the body to breathe in those exactly how to breathe. So it's not just a form of
Steven Webb:relaxing. It's not something you have to physically do. It's something you allow it to do. And how
Steven Webb:soon will I see results? This is or instantly you'll see the results because you'll feel calmer. The
Steven Webb:results within days and weeks. Like everything, if you start to learn to play the piano or guitar, you'll
Steven Webb:see really good results really early on. And then those results will start plattering out. The better you become.
Steven Webb:Because there's that learning curve, I think 20 hours and you get really good at something. But the next 20
Steven Webb:hours, you only improve another 10%. Meditation is very much the same.
Steven Webb:But how do you know it's working? This is the key. It's working if you're more compassionate, you're listening to
Steven Webb:people more, you're understanding more the situation, you are regretting what you say and do more often,
Steven Webb:you're in situations with family or work colleagues and you're not being triggered. Okay, I'll rephrase
Steven Webb:that. It's not that you're not being triggered, because you'll always be triggered, but you don't react to those triggers.
Steven Webb:So someone will give you the trigger. Someone will do something, maybe even subconsciously, maybe you
Steven Webb:don't even know what triggers you have. And they'll come up. It's whether or not you end up firing the
Steven Webb:gun, so to speak. It's whether you end up snapping. It's whether you end up going into the other room
Steven Webb:and complaining to your work colleagues because someone said something. And you'll know when it's not working if you meditate.
Steven Webb:Give me an honest three weeks of meditating twice a day's five ten minutes,
Steven Webb:and then you give it up for a week I'll challenge you that on your third week of not of
Steven Webb:doing it, you are a lot more calmer than the week you gave it up. You'll notice when you're not
Steven Webb:meditating, and it's like very much like pills. It's very much um some tablets that
Steven Webb:bring conditions under control. On the tablets, you think you don't no longer have the condition because you're not affected
Steven Webb:by it. So you end up forgetting to take them, or you think you don't need them anymore, you stop
Steven Webb:taking them, and then you realise you do need them, you have to go back on them. It's very much
Steven Webb:similar like that. When meditation is working you don't realise it's working. But when it stops working
Steven Webb:because you're not doing it, you realise it worked, if that makes any sense whatsoever. But you'll
Steven Webb:see results instantly and over time. And the people around you will see results because you'll become wiser and more
Steven Webb:compassionate, or you'll use the wisdom within you and you'll be more compassionate. So the core message before
Steven Webb:we hand off, because this has ended up quite a long episode, that peace isn't something you create. It's already
Steven Webb:here underneath all the noise. Meditation just helps you notice it. It takes you out of all the noise. It
Steven Webb:gives you control over your thoughts, whether to go with them or not. You don't have to do it perfectly.
Steven Webb:There's no perfect meditation. You will not enjoy meditation. You will not sit there and go, oh I'm loving this.
Steven Webb:The mind will always think. The mind will always come up with ideas. The mind will always try to wander.
Steven Webb:That's what it does. Just sit down and shut up again and again and bring it back. Do that
Steven Webb:weight lifting then I've recorded a quick five minute guided meditation to go with this episode.
Steven Webb:It's Inner Peace meditations. It's number 99 and it's called Finding Peace right here. No visualizations,
Steven Webb:just breath thoughts is exactly what I'm doing. Do this twice a day for the next
Steven Webb:month. The 21 days is a myth. Do something with 21 days. Someone wrote that in a book about 40
Steven Webb:years ago and it's repeated forever. A habit becomes a habit when it's a habit and for different people
Steven Webb:and different things, it'll be more of a habit than you know. Sometimes people build habits in three times. Other
Steven Webb:people build a habit over 20 years and it takes 20 years to become a habit. Don't worry about 21
Steven Webb:days. Just do the meditation a couple times a day or just once a day. It's five minutes and I
Steven Webb:think you'll see a difference. So that's why I wanted to get back to basics now. I'm Steven Webb and
Steven Webb:thank you to everybody that helped. Please leave a review if you can. That'd be awesome. Especially if you're on
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Steven Webb:platforms because that really does help. Let's get more people just meditate in a couple of minutes a day and
Steven Webb:let's get more compassion and caring in the world. Let's bring out that wisdom that we have. We know we
Steven Webb:have. Thank you very much and take care. Be kind to yourself and I love you.
