Episode 164

Demystifying Meditation: What You Need to Know

Does meditation actually help in real life, off the cushion? That is the only place it counts. In the car, in the queue, and the second before you snap at somebody.

You cannot switch off a taste you dislike, so expecting to switch off a thought is the wrong ask. You choose which train to drive rather than stopping the trains. Little and often beats forty minutes on a Saturday. You do not need a lotus position, though a straight back helps. Three deep breaths connect the mind and the body and that is the way in.

One thing to try: Take three deep breaths before the next conversation you are dreading.

In this episode

  • (0:03) Myth busting, and why meditation matters off the cushion
  • (2:50) Giving up on it, then snapping at somebody later
  • (5:18) The real scenarios meditation is actually for
  • (7:12) Thoughts that come and go, and the ones we go with
  • (9:52) You cannot switch off a taste you do not like
  • (12:02) Choosing to be the driver, and where the train goes
  • (16:29) Little and often beats forty minutes once a week
  • (21:27) No lotus position needed, but keep the back straight

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Sin, Margaret, Annie, Melike, Helen, Laura, Adam, Dominique, and a special welcome to Linda.

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Thank you for listening.

Steven

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Transcript
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So on this podcast, I want to do some myth busting and I want to get back to the basics

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of meditation and why it matters in real life. Not just on the cushion. And I'm not talking about the

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kind of meditation that is sat down with some candles in the bath for some peace and quiet. If you're

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meditating for just a little bit of chilled out peace, that's not why I'm talking about this kind of meditation.

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And before I go any further, I will say I've never enjoyed meditating. My mind's never enjoyed it. The human

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side of me has never enjoyed it. If I'm sitting there thinking, I'm normally thinking about my stomach or Facebook

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or something I said a few days ago or something I need to do or an itch or for something

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there's always something I'm thinking about

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apart from the moments where I'm not thinking. And that's just a pause between the thinking before my subconscious mind

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gives me something else to think about. But what is the benefits of meditation? Why should you meditate? And

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how long do you meditate for? And the real signs whether meditation is working or not. That's what we will

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cover on today's Back to the Basics. Why Meditate? So hello, I'm Steven Weber and welcome to Stillness in the

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Storm. The podcast that helps you find some firm ground in difficult times. No fluff. no quick

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fixes, just honest, down-to-earth wisdom from someone who lives it every single day. So, like the Buddha said,

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to be alive is to suffer. So we're all suffering.

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Anyway, right, before I begin today's episode, let's have a huge thank you to the people who keep this podcast

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completely advert-free. And this week, that is Sin. Margaret, Annie, Maliki, Helen,

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Laura, Adam, I'm Dominique and we have a new monthly subscriber, Linda. Thank you, every one of

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you. You are awesome you'll help to keep the podcast free, the inner peace meditations advert free.

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And you can. Well, because of you we can get on with the show if you'd like to join them

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or you want to contact me. Ideas for any meditations or ideas for any podcast or just ask me a

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question. Just head over to Steven Webb got you it's in the show notes and I will answer within 24

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hours. So

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I'm talking to anybody that finds meditation hard, that somebody that dips in and out of it.

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You do it for a few days and you feel a little bit better because you know you're doing something

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about your suffering or you think it's something you ought to be doing. And then you end up giving up

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on it. And then you end up snapping at somebody or you end up cutting someone up, or someone cuts

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you up on the road and you shout. Or you're getting anxious and stressed and you're like,

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I know better, I can do better. Why am I doing this? And you end up blaming in the shame

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loop and you get anxious and overwhelmed and stressed. That's who I'm talking to. And I may as well be

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talking to myself because that's me. If I don't meditate for about four or five days, I end up snapping

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at someone. I end up with less compassion, less wisdom, less understanding

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and just more overwhelmed I end up dropping stuff. And that's the reality. So. So first of all,

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let's answer the question, why meditate? Now then, if you're meditating, to have a little bit of peace and quiet

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in that moment, I suggest run a bath on some incense sticks, get a good book or

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watch a lovely romance, I don't know, read a Mills and Boone book. Because if you're meditating for a bit

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of inner peace in that moment, it doesn't have long-term benefits Do it by all means, but don't expect it

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to have any kind of real profound change on your life. Genuine meditation, if you want it to reduce your

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suffering in life. It's about like a weightlifter going to the gym, lifting weights that are going to build

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up their muscles. If you're just doing it for inner peace, that's like going to the gym and chatting to

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the person behind the till for an hour about what you're going to do and then you leave without doing

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the workout. That's what meditation with an incense stick. And you're just sitting there enjoying it.

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That's not what I'm talking about We're not talking about contacting aliens. We're not talking about having some 3 or

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5d vision of the world. We're not talking about healing your body in a magic way

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or anything like that. You have many benefits of healing and many benefits of inner peace and all that. But

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we're talking about good old-fashioned weight lifting for the mind. So you end up more compassionate,

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more caring, you end up wiser and you end up creating less pain for yourself and others.

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Does that sound good? So before I actually talk about the practice and way that, the way meditation can actually

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help, these are the scenarios that meditation, the result of meditation can help with. You know

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when you're at that family barbecue or the Christmas dinner and you've got someone at the table that's winding you

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up, a relative or a family member, and you just. Your blood's boiling and you're getting anxious and you just

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want to just scream at them or you want to walk out, or you just can't stand the sight of

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them or anything like that is to be able to be in that presence But not wound up and not

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stressed and having a wiser, different view on it. Or when that email comes and winds you up

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and before you practice, you just react and you fire one off. And I fired off a Whatsapp message this

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morning in annoyance when I read something on Facebook and went straight into the Lib Dem group and fired

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one off and it's like I deleted it. These things happen. We're human. Meditation doesn't get rid of the human,

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doesn't get rid of the passion and the emotion when things go wrong or when things go right. Meditation

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helps when we have desires that are a little too overwhelming, and the same as when we're feeling a little

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too happy. You know, sometimes when things are going just amazing and we just like want to grab all of

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it and we want to. Like, we don't understand it and we get really stressed about the situation, but really

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we're really happy. You know, all these things that make us wonderfully human. And

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it can help us in the doctor's room when we're waiting, you've got two minutes we've got no cushion you've

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got no app and it's noisy, or it might be really quiet and you don't know what the results are

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going to be. Meditation can help with the thoughts that come and go in that moment, or thoughts that come

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and we end up going with the thoughts in that moment.

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And you're stressed with a colleague at work, or you're just stressed generally with the kids, Anything like that. There's

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that tiny little gap between the thought that arises and your reaction. That's the whole

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game. That's what meditation trains. You have feelings and emotions and you have

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thoughts that arise. Meditation increases the gap between what's happening

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in any given moment and what you do with it. And, you know, you've always.

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We've always regretted something five hours later and gone. I wish I hadn't said that. I wish I hadn't done

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that. I wish I hadn't picked up the phone and shouted, whatever we do when we make a mistake. And

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then five hours later, why did I do that? I wasn't thinking straight at the time. It felt like it

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wasn't me. Well, that's because there wasn't that gap of wisdom in the middle. Then if we just had that

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little bit of space, if we were that wise person at the end of the bar in those movies, when

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the whole room in the bar is fighting and you've got that guy or the female at the end of

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the bar, just really calm and they just drink their drink and they walk out with the end because they

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haven't got involved because they're really chilled or drunk maybe, who knows? But that's the game. That's what it's about,

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is creating that gap. So I want to do some myth busting before I actually get on to the practice.

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So is meditation about clearing all your thoughts? No. That's probably the number

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one and biggest myth. If you understand this straight away, you're probably ahead of many people already. You have a

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thought. The human mind has evolved to think. That's its job. It's designed to think.

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That's all it can do. It's like asking your mind not to think is like looking at a colored piece

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of art and asking your mind not to see the colour

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or being in a noisy room and saying to your mind, don't hear it. It's impossible. That's why we have

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to have noise cancelling headphones because if we could do it ourselves, that'd be easy. But expecting the mind not

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to shut out the noise or shut out a colour or not to see something or not

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oh I don't. So I don't like the taste of that food, but I'm going to eat it anyway, and

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I'm going to switch off the taste. It's impossible. You cannot do it. So expecting the mind not to think

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is like asking the heart not to beat or the liver not to filter your blood. It's not going to

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end well. So your mind has evolved to think. Awesome. Brilliant. It's what makes you human. That's what

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is brilliant about the mind. Here's the thing. When you have a thought arising, you're sat there and

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you're at a doctor's, and you might think about the test results, say, or you might think about the appointment

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because you're going in to see them, about a pain in the shoulder or something, or a lump or something

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like that, and your mind then goes to it and it starts to go on a story. Suddenly that pain

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in the shoulder is arthritis. And you're not going to be able to move in six months. And then six

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months later, you're going to be stuck in a bed or in a wheelchair. And then you're going to be

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in so much pain, you're going to be like your uncle that had arthritis and you're going to end up

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dying early. And before you know it, within about four seconds, you've gone from a painful shoulder to you're almost

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dead or in a wheelchair or the same with a lump and things like that. Then the problem is when

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you go into these stories, you don't know if they're true or not. And very often you get into the

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doctors and the doctor will say, yeah, you've pulled a muscle, should heal in a few days, or we'll get

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that scanned and it might be a benign lump. Who knows? The point is, you don't know it's necessarily bad

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and you don't know it's necessarily good. So what meditation does is you recognise the thought

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and then there's a little gap you go, okay, thanks for the thought. I don't know if it's true. So

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I'm not going to go with it. The same as my analogy of trains coming into a station. Thoughts like

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trains coming into a station, choose which ones to get on. You can even choose when you get really good

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in it. You can choose to be the driver and where that train goes

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you know I want this story. I like this thought. I'm going to go with this one. And we do

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that in like vision meditation and like imagery meditation. So I've got a

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meditation about being a peregrine falcon, my favourite bird when I was a child. So imagine sat there on a

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bench and you see a peregrine falcon flying above you. Well, imagine being that peregrine falcon and what the

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peregrine falcon can see, it's a way of taking another perspective, seeing the world from a different angle. That's

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going with the story. That's fine, that's thoughts. But you're choosing to. Just the same as when

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you're aware of your breath, that's a thought. You're giving your mind something to do. So you have

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thoughts, but you are not your thoughts. And because you're not your thoughts, you can choose what to do with

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your thoughts. So not about clearing the mind. If you want to clear the mind, go sleep or

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have drugs and toxins and all the other things. That's about clearing the mind, that's about avoidance.

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I'm not suggesting any of those things. I think we should meditate and take more control of how.

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What we do with the thoughts when they arise. So is meditation religious? No.

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Essentially, there's meditation or contemplation in nearly all the religions of some kind. There's

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prayer, there's, well, contemplation that They're all different forms of focus or

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concentration. Really all we're doing is noticing, simply a form of awareness, noticing your breath, noticing your

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thoughts. There's nothing you have to believe, you know, you don't even have to believe your thoughts. Now

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then there's religious practice like Buddhism where I have several techniques and try to guide you into it. But

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this is a form of sazen just sitting meditated and being aware. But you don't have to relate it to

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Buddhism because it isn't really it's Just sit and be aware. Have you sat in a doctor's surgery or you're

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sat in your car just before you go into an appointment or going to that busy cafe to meet a

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friend you haven't seen for a while. Just sit and become aware of how warm the car is. Become

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aware of how dirty the bonnet is, that you got to clean it soon and just smile at that thought.

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Become aware of your breath or the clouds going over. It really doesn't matter what you become aware of. Is

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that religion or is that just being in the present moment,

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just being here so You can draw on Buddhism and stoicism, it's all sorts, but it isn't

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a practice of religion. That's the thing. Then if you're praying you're kind of asking for something.

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Meditation is not about asking for anything. It's about just being aware of what is. So

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how long do I have to sit for it to work?

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Five minutes? Honestly, even two. The doctor's waiting room maybe two minutes or maybe 10

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minutes then how long you have to wait there. Just sitting there, being aware of whatever's doing helps. It gives

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an instant karma of without going into all the deep thoughts and stories, you're instantly having more peace.

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You're instantly not in planning autopilot mode. The thing is, but just

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like the gym, I mentioned earlier about weightlifting, if you go to the gym once a year and you work

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like hell five hours, or maybe you do 12 hours of weightlifting, how long is that going to

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last? That's not going to build your muscles up, it's just going to injure you. If you go to the

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gym, 30 seconds and just lift weights for 30 seconds three times a day for 12 months, that's going to

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do way more than 12 hours. So little and often is better than

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loads and not very often. If you sit down on a Saturday morning and meditate for 40 minutes great. It'll

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really help you on that Saturday, but it ain't going to do much for your Monday But if you've done

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five minutes every morning a couple of minutes at lunchtime a couple of minutes at tea time, and every time

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you think about it, whether you're at red traffic lights or going through a door or and just become aware,

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ah, what's going on right now? How am I feeling? What's the temperature of this room, what's my foot doing,

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what's going on around me? Just do that as often as you can. That will have an effect

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because it's not about when you're meditating, it's when you're not meditating and you're not aware and someone says

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something that triggers you. If you've practiced the muscle enough, you'll instantly jump into awareness

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and go, ah, they said something. That's them projecting. They don't really mean what they say, or they're ignorant,

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or they just don't know, or they haven't mind read me. It's amazing how much we think people can mind

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read us and how much we can mind read them. The amount of times that someone says to me, well,

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you knew I was going to do that. I'm like, how did I know you were going to do that?

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You knew you were going to do it. I didn't know you're going to do it. So the amount of

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times that we think we're mind readers or we think others should be mind readers or because we know things

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and slightly off topic now, but in all those situations, the more you meditate, the more you take your little

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bit of time out, the less you'll react and the more you'll have that wisdom and compassion about you. You

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have that in abundance. You have all the wisdom and compassion that have evolved

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for hundreds of thousands of years. Every book you've read, every experience you've had, you've learned

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your subconscious mind has learned. You have the answers to nearly everything within you. But you need to have enough

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time to look it up, think about it and be in control of the situation. I'll give you an example.

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When you're entering a place when your mind is full of thinking, your body is anxious, and

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it's racing,

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consider how much you're in control of that situation. When someone comes up and says hi.

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Now enter that room where your mind is a little clearer, you're not really thinking about anything. You're very aware

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of the people in the room, you're aware of the person walking over to you. You're aware of how you're

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feeling, whether you're feeling a little anxious, that's fine. It's not about not feeling anxious. It's about knowing you're feeling

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anxious and knowing why. That awareness. And when that person walks over to you and says hi, you're like,

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hi. It there's a totally different. Which one are you more in control of? The second one or the first

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one? The second one, of course. And we all do it. We're all capable of that

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deep, compassionate wisdom. How many times in your life have you done that and gone, do you know what? That

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was amazing of me? And how many times have you not done that and went, oh, my God, that wasn't

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me. So you don't have to. It's not about. If you do have a practice of 20 minutes

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every morning, that's going to have a profound effect on you. Within months, you will literally be able to handle

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or nearly every single situation. And if you develop a practice like that, then please become my teacher,

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because I'm not managing that. You know, sometimes the odd time, I can do it. I can have some background

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music and I can do it to help silence my mind to a very repetitive music that has

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the same eight chords. I can sometimes do it, or I can sometimes do it with stifu and just

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repeat that constantly. And my teacher said to me Steven just say stfu stfu

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stfu stfu I said to him, what is that? What is the feeling He says,

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shut the fuck up. And I'm like, why? What? He said, no, that's what it is stfu Shut the fuck

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up. Just sit down and shut up. I'm like, okay, yeah, but my mind thinks he said, yeah, then shut

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up. Yeah, but my mind goes into the story, then go, yeah, then shut up.

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Always bring it back. And that's the point, is always bringing it back. So do you need to sit in

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a lotus position? No, sometimes it helps to keep the back up straight, and it keeps you awake. It stops

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you falling asleep. But if you can only sit in a chair, like me, I'm paralysed. Sit in a chair.

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If you have to lie in a bed, lie in a bed. You know, if you're standing at the kettle

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or doing the dishes, just do them. You can meditate while doing dishes. Just do the dishes. Just do the

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one thing. The position is not really that relevant. If you're sat in a really strict position, you have an

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itch. Itch it. But do it mindfully. Do it. I have an itch I'm now going to scratch that itch.

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How does the itch feel? It's now gone. Okay. What was I focusing on? Just do

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it mindfully. That's the practice. That's the game. So so

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what if I'm bad at meditation because my mind wanders? Your mind will wander if

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your mind doesn't wander. Your mind's not doing what the mind does. The

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only thing is thoughts will come up. You don't have to go with them. The wandering mind is you going

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with the thoughts. Now then very often, sometimes when you're tired, or sometimes you'll catch the thoughts after a

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good few minutes into a story. Oh, I'm in story. Back to breath. Sometimes you'll catch it within seconds

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it Doesn't matter as long as you eventually catch it. Reward yourself in the back and go, well done. That

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was like you lifting a weight. Well done. You lifted it. Does it matter if take lifting the weight takes

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10 seconds or half a second? No, it matters. You lifted the weight, so it matters that you did bring

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the mind back. That's where all the reward is. Is it just the way to relax? No.

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So the body knows how to relax, and the same as the body knows how to breathe. And I know

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a lot of meditation teachers and there's a lot of information and a lot of pros on having

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certain types of breath, counting breath, different things. It's a way of keeping your mind

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busy, doing something in some way. It's a way of getting you into it. Taking three deep breaths connects the

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mind and body helps to relax. Personally, I think the body knows how to breathe better than I do. It's

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been doing it way longer than I have. And just the same, relaxing. If I try to relax, I can't

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relax. But if I allow the body to relax, it's really good at it.

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If I allow the body to breathe in those exactly how to breathe. So it's not just a form of

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relaxing. It's not something you have to physically do. It's something you allow it to do. And how

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soon will I see results? This is or instantly you'll see the results because you'll feel calmer. The

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results within days and weeks. Like everything, if you start to learn to play the piano or guitar, you'll

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see really good results really early on. And then those results will start plattering out. The better you become.

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Because there's that learning curve, I think 20 hours and you get really good at something. But the next 20

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hours, you only improve another 10%. Meditation is very much the same.

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But how do you know it's working? This is the key. It's working if you're more compassionate, you're listening to

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people more, you're understanding more the situation, you are regretting what you say and do more often,

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you're in situations with family or work colleagues and you're not being triggered. Okay, I'll rephrase

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that. It's not that you're not being triggered, because you'll always be triggered, but you don't react to those triggers.

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So someone will give you the trigger. Someone will do something, maybe even subconsciously, maybe you

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don't even know what triggers you have. And they'll come up. It's whether or not you end up firing the

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gun, so to speak. It's whether you end up snapping. It's whether you end up going into the other room

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and complaining to your work colleagues because someone said something. And you'll know when it's not working if you meditate.

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Give me an honest three weeks of meditating twice a day's five ten minutes,

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and then you give it up for a week I'll challenge you that on your third week of not of

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doing it, you are a lot more calmer than the week you gave it up. You'll notice when you're not

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meditating, and it's like very much like pills. It's very much um some tablets that

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bring conditions under control. On the tablets, you think you don't no longer have the condition because you're not affected

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by it. So you end up forgetting to take them, or you think you don't need them anymore, you stop

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taking them, and then you realise you do need them, you have to go back on them. It's very much

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similar like that. When meditation is working you don't realise it's working. But when it stops working

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because you're not doing it, you realise it worked, if that makes any sense whatsoever. But you'll

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see results instantly and over time. And the people around you will see results because you'll become wiser and more

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compassionate, or you'll use the wisdom within you and you'll be more compassionate. So the core message before

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we hand off, because this has ended up quite a long episode, that peace isn't something you create. It's already

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here underneath all the noise. Meditation just helps you notice it. It takes you out of all the noise. It

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gives you control over your thoughts, whether to go with them or not. You don't have to do it perfectly.

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There's no perfect meditation. You will not enjoy meditation. You will not sit there and go, oh I'm loving this.

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The mind will always think. The mind will always come up with ideas. The mind will always try to wander.

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That's what it does. Just sit down and shut up again and again and bring it back. Do that

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weight lifting then I've recorded a quick five minute guided meditation to go with this episode.

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It's Inner Peace meditations. It's number 99 and it's called Finding Peace right here. No visualizations,

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just breath thoughts is exactly what I'm doing. Do this twice a day for the next

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month. The 21 days is a myth. Do something with 21 days. Someone wrote that in a book about 40

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years ago and it's repeated forever. A habit becomes a habit when it's a habit and for different people

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and different things, it'll be more of a habit than you know. Sometimes people build habits in three times. Other

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people build a habit over 20 years and it takes 20 years to become a habit. Don't worry about 21

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days. Just do the meditation a couple times a day or just once a day. It's five minutes and I

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think you'll see a difference. So that's why I wanted to get back to basics now. I'm Steven Webb and

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thank you to everybody that helped. Please leave a review if you can. That'd be awesome. Especially if you're on

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Apple or Spotify. Favourite it and follow it and leave a review on those two

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platforms because that really does help. Let's get more people just meditate in a couple of minutes a day and

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let's get more compassion and caring in the world. Let's bring out that wisdom that we have. We know we

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have. Thank you very much and take care. Be kind to yourself and I love you.

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